Cupra K1 - 360bhp

[Poverty]

Als wir in England sagen: "Sie zahlen müssen, um zu spielen"

Das Auto ist jetzt viel schneller, und ich liebe es sehr.

Ich habe einen Schalter, wo ich sie stellen auch wieder zurück auf Lager 240PS-Modus, und seine nicht Spaß im Vergleich zu Stufe 1 (300PS) geschweige denn Stufe 2 plus. Im überrascht in Deutschland, dass alle von Ihnen derzeit stark ändern TFSI, am UK-Boards fast alle verändert.

Wenn Im ehrlich mit dir, ich konnte nicht zurück zu einem 240PS cupra jetzt, wo ich versucht 360PS. You guys sollten versuchen, eine Etappe aus 1 remap Studie, verwandelt es den Wagen.


EDIT (autom. Beitragszusammenführung) :

A stock cupra doesnt stand a chance against a a stage 2 plus 360hp cupra. When I was running 240ps the best quarter mile times I managed was 14.6

All my times are at a official FIA licensed 1/4 mile track so times are accurate. But the best way to tell how strong your car is, is to race it against other cars. When you can go past E46 M3 and B7 RS4 and are asking yourself whether they are trying or not, thats when you know you have a fast car, because you know they are trying as its on a racetrack.

I can try to get a video of my car vs a 240 ps cupra if you like, so you can see the massive difference.

 

[Ciosmi]

Top notch mate!
Wish we had the K1 over here lol.
360hp/500nm is not impossible.Stage 2+ are making around 380hp and 490NM over here...so...don't think it's that impossible.And trust me....it's waaaay quicker than my 240hp cupra

 

[Löwenart]

...don't think it's that impossible.And trust me....

Sorry, I trust the OEM-constructor.
And more than 430 Nm are imposible with the dual mass flywheel. If the torgue is higher it rattles and beats. But maybe is the measuring procedure unlike in Germany.

 

[Poverty]

It is possible, and eventually my DMF will fail. OEM constructer says DGS in golf gti ed30 can only manage 350nm, but yet 500hp ed30gti dsg gearbox is fine.

Dont think a 430nm cupra with lower power could beat a e92 m3.

 

[Löwenart]

BMW M3 (E92) => 1.700 kg / 420 PS = 4,0 kg/PS
Cupra 1P => 1.400 kg / 350 PS = 4,0 kg/PS

The BMW has a torgue of 420 Nm. If you have the same torgue, lesser weight, the same power to weight ratio and a shorter gear transmission ratio than you are faster.

 

[advance]

ich würde es gerne verstehen, aber mein english ist nich so gut :wave:

 

[Löwenart]

Poverty und Ciosmi vertreten den Standpunkt, dass 360 PS und 500 Nm mit der Serienhardware (bzw. mit kleineren Modifikationen vom ersten Posting) des Cupra 1P möglich sind.
Ich bin da eher skeptisch. Vorallem halte ich es für unmöglich, 500 Nm mit der Serienkupplung und dem Zweimassenschwungrad zu übertragen.
Die Kupplung ist ohnehin eine Soll-Schwachstelle, weil sie das Getriebe schützen soll (MQ350 = ausgelegt für 350 Nm + kleine Reserve für Anhängerbetrieb etc.).
Das ZMS fängt bei über 400 Nm an zu schlagen. Ein fahren ohne Vibrationen ist dann nicht mehr möglich. Diese werden immer schlimmer und führen im schlimmsten Fall zu Getriebeschäden. Außerdem nehmen sie durch die Vibrationen noch paar Teile mit.

Ich habe in den Raum gestellt, dass möglicherweise das Messverfahren in GB anders als in Deutschland ist und daher die doch deutlich höheren Werte im Vergleich zu deutschen namhaften Tunern resultieren.

Das Hauptargument von den beiden ist, dass einer wohl mal schneller war als ein M3 (E92).
Deswegen hab ich die Leistungsgewichte verglichen und geschrieben, dass ein leichteres Auto mit dem gleichen Leistungsgewicht, dem gleichen Drehmoment und kürzerer Übersetzung schneller ist als ein schwereres Auto mit längerer Übersetzung.

 

[Jochen_145]

OEM constructer says DGS in golf gti ed30 can only manage 350nm, but yet 500hp ed30gti dsg gearbox is fine.

of cause, software of the gearbox will limit the torque !

Yes, you can chance this parameters, but some well known german and finn tuners broke the DSG in less then 3 weeks after remapping, as they tryed to handle 430Nm.

As OEM spec. expacts..

I know this bhp-measuring.
In most cases, some big number of the less power.
In GB tuners sell 240PS at a ARL without any hardwarechance..

Poland is nearly the same

The technical limits of VAG- engines in GB are the same then in germany , so you can expact the same power with stock haredware then here

 

[Poverty]

The gearbox software has been modified aswell, no torque limiting there and raised rpm.

I can use VAG COM/vcds and log my MAF readings to roughly show how much power I have, I can also get in gear times and acceleration data.

If my cupra only has 430nm of torque, a e92 m3 with same torque and power to weight ratio should be faster, as the m3 will rev to 8300rpm, and my power drops off around 6400rpm


EDIT (autom. Beitragszusammenführung) :

Top notch mate!
Wish we had the K1 over here lol.
360hp/500nm is not impossible.Stage 2+ are making around 380hp and 490NM over here...so...don't think it's that impossible.And trust me....it's waaaay quicker than my 240hp cupra

Im glad someone agrees, its not as if germany has more accurate dynos than the UK or greece etc.

I couldnt own a 240hp cupra after having a 300hp cupra never mind 360+hp. I used to think my 240hp cupra was fast, untill I tried a 300hp and now I realise that with 240hp they are slow and not overly exciting.

 

[Ciosmi]

I couldnt own a 240hp cupra after having a 300hp cupra never mind 360+hp. I used to think my 240hp cupra was fast, untill I tried a 300hp and now I realise that with 240hp they are slow and not overly exciting.

Same thing here:totlach::totlach:
After a drive in the 380hp Cupra...pfff...my car felt sloooow;(

We have here....like 4 or 5 dynos...but they all show different results.I don't entirely trust them,but it's good to know "where you at".
Oh and can you post a video of your k1 vs stock cupra?just curious how 360hp performs (my goal also)

 

[Poverty]

yes using the same dynos before and after mods shows how much improvement you mods make.

Will get a video of my car vs std.

Heres a video of my friends car, stage 2 running 360hp when last on dyno, but a different dyno said 330hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-caqJ8CFIQ

 

[Jochen_145]

If my cupra only has 430nm of torque....

You are still driving without gearbox-problems ! So your torque has to be lower then that.

This simple it is, when you are running at or over mechanical limits :very_hap:

Same thing here
After a drive in the 380hp Cupra...pfff...my car felt sloooow

Same to me and some of my frinds, after remapping a diesel with 30PS and 50Nm toque the basic software feels slooow :laughing:

Heres a video of my friends car, stage 2 running 360hp when last on dyno, but a different dyno said 330hp.

http://www.youtube.com/user/waynep16.../0/f-caqJ8CFIQ

Oh yes, you really see, that this car has something between 330 and 360bhp..

If I compare to that video to psyke´s Curpra R, I think there are comparible, but psyke got ABTs Software witch is know at 286PS :wave:



Guys, I got a great laught

 

[Poverty]

Who says I dont have gearbox problems now? Clutch and box

I have raced 290ps cupra r in the wet, he kept up till 4th gear due to traction bad traction, once in 4th gear the cupra r gets left for dead and doesnt stand a chance, and I had 3 passengers and my friend was on his own.

The cupra in the video has 330hp, because mine is faster, just one dyno said 360hp so he posted the video saying thats what it had.

I dont understand how you cannot believe a cupra can have 360hp on the standard turbo, yet have no problem with a mk1 LCR having 290ps even though its a smaller engine with a much smaller turbo?

 

[advance]

nice vid, really nice car

 

[-Franz-]

I dont understand how you cannot believe a cupra can have 360hp on the standard turbo, yet have no problem with a mk1 LCR having 290ps even though its a smaller engine with a much smaller turbo?

You seem to have really good dynos in GB
360hp with stock-turbo, sorry but :totlach:

 

[Ciosmi]

It can handle 360hp with ease.
And what kind of dyno do y'all use in germany?

 

[Jochen_145]

Who says I dont have gearbox problems now? Clutch and box

You yourself..
Don´t you remember:

Meine Kupplung und ZMS ist in Ordnung so weit. OEM-sach-Kupplung ist hart, ZMS nicht so sehr, aber alles ist ok for now

I dont understand how you cannot believe a cupra can have 360hp on the standard turbo,

Running that engine on duration test during evoltion gives you "some" ideas, what this engine/gearbox will be able to handle

 

[tomtomm]

Hey Leute, jetzt lasst doch dem guten Poverty seinen Spaß mit seinem Cupra. :nene:

Und hört auf, diesen Umbauthread so zuzumüllen - ist ja nicht zu ertragen...

 

[Poverty]

I dont understand how you cannot believe a cupra can have 360hp on the standard turbo, yet have no problem with a mk1 LCR having 290ps even though its a smaller engine with a much smaller turbo?

You seem to have really good dynos in GB
360hp with stock-turbo, sorry but :totlach:

Do you know how much bar/psi pressure the turbo can handle and how big the k04 turbo in the 2.0TFSI is before you make such claims? I do but do you? Do you understand the concept of using Mass air flow readings taken with vag com to roughly work out how much power a engine has?

It can handle 360hp with ease.
And what kind of dyno do y'all use in germany?

360HP easy, some people are running 380hp in england too but have more mods than me.

In england we have all different types of dyno, I wonder what dyno is considered best in germany, and then perhaps I will test my car on that same dyno in england and see what the outcome is

I dont understand why there is such a big controversy about my car having 360 hp, when there are other cupras on this board claiming 330hp with hardly any mods and inferior breathing.

Who says I dont have gearbox problems now? Clutch and box

You yourself..
Don´t you remember:

Meine Kupplung und ZMS ist in Ordnung so weit. OEM-sach-Kupplung ist hart, ZMS nicht so sehr, aber alles ist ok for now

I dont understand how you cannot believe a cupra can have 360hp on the standard turbo,

Running that engine on duration test during evoltion gives you "some" ideas, what this engine/gearbox will be able to handle

All will be revealed soon More mods to come shortly and more info.

Hey Leute, jetzt lasst doch dem guten Poverty seinen Spaß mit seinem Cupra. :nene:

Und hört auf, diesen Umbauthread so zuzumüllen - ist ja nicht zu ertragen...

Danke :]

 

[Cuprafahrer]

Lacht ihr mal ich habe schon nen Cupra gesehen der den Turbo Original hatte nur Abgasanlage usw der hatte 360 ps und knapp 500 nm
Wohl hat die Kupplung das nicht mit gemacht die war Gnadenlos am Rutschen ;-)
Und das problem was ist wirklich nicht besonders haltbar